Blade Flurry Gladiator Duelist Build - Odealo's Crafty Guide Extremely versatile Path of Exile melee fighter. Great defenses from high block chance and very high damage allow it to face any Boss. Take note of whether it says plain 'Damage' or 'Physical Damage', because if you primarily deal elemental damage, getting nodes that increase your Physical Damage won't help much. Nice catch thanks, and thanks you to both for the response!

Poe Melee Skills

Poe Melee Dmg Vs Physical Fitness

Ripped from another thread, since it was off-topic: ' ' Which one is better, Minion damage or Melee Physical Damage? In combination with Raise Zombie + Multistrike + Faster attacks + Melee Splash. Melee Physical Damage will add more: Assuming 20/20 Gems: Melee Physical = 10% Increased and 49% More Minion Damage = 92% Increased With just Multistrike and Melee Splash you're doing the following (%age of base) Single : 171.49% Splash : 140.87% With Minion Damage Single : 220.95% Splash : 181.50% With Melee Physical Damage Single : 263.54% Splash : 216.48% This is assuming 105% from Tree, 57% increased from Multistrike and MeleeSplash, 36% Less from Multistrike, 16% less single target from Melee Splash and 31% Less in splash. Given that we're only comparing MD and MPD, all else is equal. Can we not pretty much remove the skill tree and the other gems from the equation? That leaves a 20/20 MD doing 92% increased damage, and the MPD doing 59% increased damage. Hence my confusion. I don't understand the significance of representing the MPD's numbers by '10% Increased and 49% More' while you sum the damage and gem values (92%) for MD. The English in the descriptions seems to be the same: MD: +0.75% increased Minion Damage MPD: +0.5% increased Melee Physical Damage Therefore I can't see how you determined MPD was more effective. Two more points: 1. If you're correct, MD is useless. It does less damage and costs more mana to use. (The strength requirement on MPD is of no consequence.) 2. While Annihilat0r is clearly talking about a 5-link item, gaining '+2 levels to minion gems' from a 4-link hat is probably produces better zombies. This bonus affects the zombie gem as well as the MD gem. This point is off topic but worth mentioning. Last edited by TigerSpook on Mar 8, 2014, 4:04:29 PM	Posted by TigerSpook on Mar 8, 2014, 4:03:38 PM
There is a difference between 'increased' and 'more'... From PoE wiki: Modifiers that use the word more act as multipliers, and stack multiplicatively with all other modifiers, while increased modifiers will stack additively with other increased modifiers.	Posted by thatdumbguy on Mar 8, 2014, 4:46:14 PM
I think TigerSpook is on to something here: Assuming you have all the minion damage nodes ' Minion damage: 110% + 92% = 202% vs Melee Physical damage: (110% + 10) * 1.49 = 178.8% Lets introduce another more multiplier into the equation: remote mine ' Minion damage: (110% + 92%) * 1.48 = 298.96% vs Melee Physical damage: (110% + 10) * (1.49 * 1.48) = 264.624% But on a 6L... RZ + faster attack + multistrike + meleesplash + minion damage + melee physical damage ' A level 68 Raised Zombie (i.e. summoned by a level 20 gem) on a character with no specific minion bonuses, attacks for 468-1093 physical damage. MD setup (assuming main target for splash): [ passive(110) + mstrike(67) + Msplash(57) + MPD(10) + MD(92) ] * [mstrike(.64) * Msplash(.84) * MPD(1.49)] = [336] * [.8] = 268.8% = 3.688 1726 - 4031 physical damage attack speed(1.54) * Mstrike(2.07) = 3.12(rounded) atk/sec 5385 - 12577 damage per/sec remote mine setup (assuming main target for splash): [ passive(110) + mstrike(67) + Msplash(57) + MPD(10)] * [mstrike(.64) * Msplash(.84) * MPD(1.49)] Mine(1.48)= [244] [1.186] = 289.3% = 3.893 1822 - 4255 physical damage speed 5685 - 13276 damage per/sec In the end MPD combined with another multiplier like remote mine, wins out in that 6link combo Necronomicon: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1617098 Build: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/409940 Summoner Dischord: https://discord.gg/XwWdSUa Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/zhoukon Last edited by mattc3303 on Mar 8, 2014, 7:17:58 PM	Posted by on Mar 8, 2014, 6:33:39 PM
where'd you get the info for zombie base damage? do you have them for skels and spirits and the like too?	Posted by BoswerLK on Mar 8, 2014, 11:32:08 PM
' I think TigerSpook is on to something here: Assuming you have all the minion damage nodes ' Minion damage: 110% + 92% = 202% vs Melee Physical damage: (110% + 10) * 1.49 = 178.8% [ ... ] Slight errors in that calculation Tree increases damage by 105% So actual Damage is: Minion Damage : (100% [base] + 105% [tree] + 92% [gem]) = 297% Melee Physical : (100% [base] + 105% [tree] + 10% [gem]) * 1.49 [Gem] = 384% You forgot the 100% base damage that is also multiplied by 49% With a bit of calculation (I can provide the spreadsheet used to perform the calculations): All gems at 20/20 %Damage listed below is DPS if assuming base attack speed is 1APS. Multiply by actual APS and you'll get actual damage increase. Assuming no bonuses from gear and that you want Melee Splash for AoE damage on mobs Best 4 Socket Zombies = RZ + MultiStrike + Melee Splash + Melee Physical Damage 561% to main target, 461% in AoE +2 Minion Helm = 701% main, 576% AoE (Assumes 25% more damage for the 2 levels). 5 Sockets = Add Remote Mine or Faster Attacks (~10% difference) 6 Sockets = Add Minion Damage if not using Mines, otherwise add Faster Attacks I did not calculate how much damage Empower would add since there is no clear way to determine how much damage each level adds to the Zombies. Wearing Minion enhancing gear (+%Damage to minions) will make Minion Damage even 'weaker' relative to Melee Physical Damage because it is additive rather than multiplicative. IGN: Tresmere, Mariela, Manyella Usually online M-F 5-6p EST - Varies on Weekends.	Posted by Zinsho on Mar 10, 2014, 5:47:49 PM
so? Melee phyz damage is better then MD ?	Posted by on Mar 11, 2014, 9:36:19 AM
If you have not seen this here is the link to minion damage from GGG. I would be interested to see an updated sheet that calculated 5l and 6l damage based on MPD, MS etc. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ahqk9lptRHcMdHdjM1hTNTV1NzhBeEtQYlVvM1NvSFE#gid=0 Cheers.	Posted by Crandore on Apr 1, 2014, 5:54:37 PM
This is based on ALL MINION PASSIVES in the TREE ONLY combined with the data supplied from GGG about Zombies. All data is based on a level 20 zombie. Average DPS does NOT take into account CRITICALS.	Posted by danub3r on Sep 27, 2014, 12:04:00 AM
There is one important thing I think that is just misunderstood: 1. Minion damage vs melee physical in a vacuum makes minion damage better. It is 92% increased vs 10% increased and 59% more (more means multiplicative with every modifier and increased means additive with all other increased modifiers) thus minion damage gi

Poe Melle Dmg Vs Physical